“People being told what to do and working for money are never going to match people working for passion and a community.”
“With every cell in my body, I believe that Open Source is the way forward. Especially when it comes to websites, but also beyond just websites.”
Guided by David Stagg, the open source conversation survived
epic microphone turmoil years of open source competitiveness to showcase the true brilliance and passion of these open source leaders.
Around Designers vs Developers Flocking to WordPress and Drupal (Respectively)
Matt: “I learned a ton about code and programming and back end systems… mainly because I had sort of a vision of something that I wanted a user to realize…. and so we made certain design choices from a technical view that to me are more intuitive.
There were two big pressures early in WordPress’ life: 1) everyone wanted us to adopt a templating system because everyone at the time had one and 2) they wanted us to go a strict object oriented model. So you could extend everything WordPress does through classes essentially.
We took an action oriented plug-in approach… which is perhaps not as correct from a programmer’s point of view, but easier for beginner users.”
Dries: “When I started Drupal, I was in college to get a computer science degree – almost an engineer. So I wasn’t too concerned about user experience – more obsessed with the architecture and the right APIs and all of these things.
When I finally released Drupal as open source, it really attracted an audience of developers. The initial community was a developer community and began to expand to more and more developers. That emphasis on architecture was reinforced. [We’re] trying to change that and it’s slowly starting to work – it’s very much historical.”
>>> Cool side notes: Matt has been a Drupal member for 8 years and one week. His interests on his profile include typography and simplicity (the only person to include this in their profile). Years back, Matt gave a credit to Drupal and reminded Dries that he had some code in WordPress very early on — time for Matt to contribute to Drupal!
What Do you Wish you had Done that the Other Did?
Dries: Matt did a lot of things right, he started his company sooner, WordPress.com is a tremendous asset to get more people involved and his focus on design and usability is key – a very important thing to do very early on. In a way, Drupal is paying the penalty for not doing this early on.
Matt: When I look at the Drupal community, the thing that I like is that the software runs the community itself. The bug tracker is Drupal, the forum, the issues – everything is Drupal. Also the 3rd party developer community – even though WP has more websites, we have fewer of the large consulting firms. Drupal has a lot more large development firms building these giant websites, that’s not as common with WordPress.
How Do you Benefit from the Other Existing?
Dries: If WordPress wins, Drupal wins. Because that means Open Source is winning.
Matt: Competition is good. Anytime any firm or product does something amazing, the bar has been raised.
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